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Unable to stop crawl

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This seems to be a pretty common problem but as yet I haven't found anything that has helped me. The full crawl is stuck in a stopping state. I have tried to stop it via the central admin and by powershell. It just sits at 'Stopping'. This is sharepoint 2010 enterprise. enterprise search, not fast search.

Is there something I can stop in services.msc that would not break my search service application.

Any ideas what else can be done to stop this.


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